Picking the winners
For those of you who have read this blog for a while, you know that we are heading into my two least favorite parts of the season. The first is the Section Team Tournament, which plays out Wednesday and the second is the PIAA Team Tournament, which begins a couple weeks from now.
The Section Team Tournament is nothing but a seeding process with only one of the six teams failing to advance. I would be willing to totally do without this event if it it did not allow for two very positive things in the sport.
First, it cuts the dual meet season down because there are fewer teams in the subsections. That allows teams to use more scheduling points to compete in more regular season duals and tournaments and I think that's a good thing. I don't want to go back to the 8-team sections because the competition level was awful for most of those matches.
Second, it does determine a section champion, and that is a good accomplishment.
That being said: Here are my picks:
Class AAA
Canon-McMillan, Peters Township, Waynesburg, Char Valley in Section 4
North Allegheny, Butler, Hampton, Hopewell in Section 3
Connellsville, Hempfield, Ringgold, Elizabeth Forward in Section 2
Kiski, Central Catholic, Greensburg Salem, Latrobe in Section 1
Class AA
Chartiers-Houston, South Fayette, Freedom, SS Beaver in Section 1
Jefferson-Morgan, Derry, Bentworth, Yough in Section 2
Burrell, Valley, Keystone Oaks, South Allegheny in Section 1
I'll even throw in the fifth-place teams:
Upper St. Clair, Pine-Richland, Belle Vernon, Franklin Regional in Class AAA
Fort Cherry, West Greene, Kittanning in Class AA
The Section Team Tournament is nothing but a seeding process with only one of the six teams failing to advance. I would be willing to totally do without this event if it it did not allow for two very positive things in the sport.
First, it cuts the dual meet season down because there are fewer teams in the subsections. That allows teams to use more scheduling points to compete in more regular season duals and tournaments and I think that's a good thing. I don't want to go back to the 8-team sections because the competition level was awful for most of those matches.
Second, it does determine a section champion, and that is a good accomplishment.
That being said: Here are my picks:
Class AAA
Canon-McMillan, Peters Township, Waynesburg, Char Valley in Section 4
North Allegheny, Butler, Hampton, Hopewell in Section 3
Connellsville, Hempfield, Ringgold, Elizabeth Forward in Section 2
Kiski, Central Catholic, Greensburg Salem, Latrobe in Section 1
Class AA
Chartiers-Houston, South Fayette, Freedom, SS Beaver in Section 1
Jefferson-Morgan, Derry, Bentworth, Yough in Section 2
Burrell, Valley, Keystone Oaks, South Allegheny in Section 1
I'll even throw in the fifth-place teams:
Upper St. Clair, Pine-Richland, Belle Vernon, Franklin Regional in Class AAA
Fort Cherry, West Greene, Kittanning in Class AA
posted by Joe Tuscano at
12:58 AM
20 Comments:
Joe try not to be so negative about the team championship this year. It's our team playoff system.
I consider the true Team Champion the team that scores the most points at Hershey during individuals. If this is not the case why even track team points and crown a team champion during state individuals; however, if this is not the case, it's a waste of time even tracking and crowning a team champion at individuals. In this day and age waste time and resources once; not twice.
I promise this year not to be negative about the tournament. A New Year's resolution. But just for this year. Besides, the PIAA does enough stupid things to be critical of and I will be writing about that soon.
Stay negative Joe...Nobody cares about the team tournament.
I hate how the state finals are not on one mat this year.
I like the individuals better, and sometimes at team sections there are too many forfeits to make it interesting. That being said, you will see more motivated teams and hence better wrestling in the team tournament than in individual sections, because except for a few sections (unofficially) on the internet, they don't keep an official team score. JT isn't that negative anyway, just critical. There's a difference. Besides, is there a better way to get data for team seeding next week than this?
How do you figure that the true team champion should be decided by the amount of points the individuals get throughout the course of the tournament? I don't see it that way. For example: If team c can't beat team cd head to head, how can they be true team champions just because the individuals got more points against other teams? Do they decide team state champions in any other sport this way? Just askin.
This isn't any other sport. Look at the top five team winning team titles vs the team crowned team after indivduals are decided and you'll see why it a waste time moey and resources. How many other sports have a team state playoff crown a champion, turnaround two weeks later and have indiviidual championship where at the same time they crown another team champion during the individual competition. If you have crowned a team champion, individuals are just that, why watse time counting team again. Everyone's halfway anyway. Pick one and so be it..
Joe, I think they do a good job throwing a quick caution when a wrestler doesn't engage, backs out etc, but I have seen referee let guys ride with legs in almost a whole period. I think they need to even the playing field. You can't grab and hold onto to an ankle all period. The wrestler on bottom is stuck while the top is milking the not improving thier position unless their scoring back points. I think the should stalemate much quicker in this scenario. One more thing, a certain ref insists on the wrestlers staying in the center circle; there is absolutely no requirement to remain in the center circle.
10:32...I have heard this aging loser bark wrestle in the middle...I have seen him make some horrendous calls as well...
To anonymous 10:32 you need to read the rulebook before you say "there is absolutely no requirement to remain in the center circle". See Rule 5-24-1: "Each wrestler is required to make an honest attempt to stay within the 10-foot circle and wrestle aggressively, regardless of position or the time or socore of the match."
wow, another reply by a dad or the aging olf fart with the stripped shirt who has never wrestled inside of that 10-foot circle.
You actually made an honest attempt at justiying your comment. **The Boundary Line is Now Inbounds (2-1-3): The change now makes the boundary line inbounds and expands the wrestling area.** No where does it say you must stay inside the 10 foot center circle. If that were the rule we could have 25 - 10ft mats laid out for tournaments and speed up the whole process
Why do you think you think have rules pertaining to the boudary line? or are you one of these individuals who believe the rules changes above 182.
does anyone know the teams that are wrestling at c v this saturday?
Joe, will you be posting the section results?
CM shuts out, and it probably won't be the last one of the post season. CV over Peters was a big upset, and Latrobe over PCC was very unexpected. Burrell over Valley 58-9 in AA? 58-9...58-9...wasn't Valley undefeated until a week and a half ago? Is 58-9 a misprint? Connellsville earned at least 3rd seed I'd say. They've got so many 9th graders they're practically a middle school team! They are going to be one to watch for the next few years.
Good call 1:42PM, I've seen this ref as well, shame this ref doesn't stay informed. He would prefer they wrestle with their foot on the starting stripe. I am guessing he doen't know the actual boundary rules and tries to keep everyone away from it. A talented wrestler effectively uses the wrestling area. Moving outside the 10 foot circle is NOT stalling.
To 1:42PM I think the language of 5-24-1 is very clear. You didn't respond to what it says about the ten foot circle.
The boundary line serves a different purpose, which is to tell everybody where wrestling must stop in order to keep the wrestlers safe.
But I'm not going to argue with somebody who, when presented with the actual rule, won't admit that they are wrong.
Feel free to have the last word.
Signed, An Old Guy with a Whistle
Old guy with a whistle....what's the deal with crossed headgear straps? If it's an actual infraction you best start calling it before our kids advance to a statewide event where some other official is going to call it. Please just know and follow the rules guys.
Old guy with a whistle...needs to retire. I've watch you miss calls for years!
cm should win 10 matches against kiski
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